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- Evergreen Cemetery in Camden
I have Phila and Isaac Mccully on the 1850 Census. I also have a copy of Philathea Mccully's death certificate which indicates her parents as Gabriel and Lydia Fullender born about 1804 and died 1 May 1889.Isaac Mccully died 9 Feb 1869. They are buried at Evergreen Cemetery in Camden. First child, Lydia, looks like she was born about 1821. I don't know if Isaac Mccully was previously married but their children were Lydia, Esther Ann, Hiram, John, Isaac and Emily. I do not have a date for the marriage which isn't so unusual. Anything look familiar?
Marlynn
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If it is true [and I assume it must be if it was listed as such on her- Phila's death certificate] that her parents were "Gabriel and Lydia Fullender [Trullender]" then about the only thing that seems to make sense to me at this point is is that Joseph Trullender's [son of Friedrich/Frederick Drollinger] full birth name must have been Joseph Gabriel Trullender or Gabriel Joseph Trullender, [with a known brother named Gabriel this is not likely] presumablly named Gabriel in honor of his grandfather, Gabriel Drollinger [the immigrant] and that his here-to-fore unknown wife's name must be Lydia, which would seem to make further sense because Phila's apparent first born daughter is also named Lydia. (David H. Drollinger 3 Dec 2014)
What is over looked here is Gabriel the immigrant had a son Named Gabriel born 1750. This Gabriel married a Philisare Reach in 1769 in Salem County NJ. No children are found from this marriage. Gabriel Jr. moved around quite a bit. He left tracks in Cumberland County PA before moving to Allegany County MD. The last know track he left was when he sold he land to his brother Jacob in 1809. After that he disappears. It is possible he married a Lydia and moved back to the NJ area and was the father of Philathea. The close resemblance between Philisare and Philathea could be because of the poor spelling of the time. If this is the case then she is not the daughter of Joseph and the other Lydia may be the daughter of Gabriel in addition. Gorodn L Drollinger 27 April 2016
Series of emails on ancestry between Gordon and Marilyn in 2009
I did send for the death certificate from the Trenton Archive. There were no informants listed on the death certificate - only the Medical Doctor and the Undertaker. Philathea McCully was born in New Jersey about 1804 and her parents - Gabrie and Lydia Trullendar were listed as born in U.S.A.
With regard to my connection or rather my husband's connection, Isaac McCully, Philathea's husband, was the son of Bradshaw and Mary Stow McCully. My husband's connection is through the Stow family.
Marlynn
Gordon_D
Dec 09, 2009
No unfortunately it was not a will. A David Bowen was the administrator and it mentioned Gabriel was a grocer. There was no land and the inventory list was of personal items chairs, crocks, etc. Rent was due so He didn't own a house. There was money due for a coffin for Mrs Trullender (first name omitted) and one for Gabriel.
No I can't connect her but I have hopes of if we can uncover a few more clues. The big one being the death certificate so far. Did you write and get it? If so there may be further data at that source. I think Frederick's son Gabriel can ruled out even tho he was born in 1780 as he had children starting in 1801 in Warren County Ohio. I believe Gabriel the OI can be ruled out as too old. Which leaves us with Gabriel the son. The only problem here is he was in Cumberland County PA in 1781. So it looks like there is either a new Gabriel in the mix or one of the known ones came back to NJ for a while.
Is there an informant listed on the death certificate? Where do you fit in the puzzle?
Gordon
Marlynn39
Dec 09, 2009
It was handwritten and the "r" could have been included. It was fancy writing and looking at it again it could well have been Trullender and I interpreted as Tullender. At first I thought it was Fullender. In addition the marriage between Phila and Isaac was listed as McCollough although it was McCully. Do you have their marriage date? Can you connect Phila with Gabriel the immigrant? Was Phila mentioned in the estate of Gabriel?
Marlynn
Gordon_D
Dec 09, 2009
Interesting to say the least. is that the State Archives or? Is it written or typed with the R missing? Did you get that in hard copy?
On going back to my NJ binder I noted that it wasn't John Marshall she married. He was the one entry above her. She married Isaac McCollough. Now that I look at a map I see Camden is across the river from Philadelphia. It was in the Philadelphia court records I found the estate records of Gabriel the immigrant as Trullender. Why Phila when he lived and died in Salem County I have no idea.
Gordon
Marlynn39
Dec 09, 2009
I got the death certificate from the Trenton Archives. Philathea McCully, d. 1 May 1889, age 85 years; Widow; birthplace, NJ, last place of residence and place of death, 126 North 11th St, Camden; father, Gabriel Tullender, b. USA, mother Lydia Tullender; cause of death, General Prostration; Source 1887-88 Camden County Death Certificates.
It is possible that Philathea could have been married twice. I have never come across another Philathea. I do know that there were Tullenders in Camden City in 1880-1890 - John Tullender Jr. and his wife Hannah, and also a Sarah. John was a shoemaker.
Marlynn
Mortuary Notice
Thursday, May 3, 1888
Philadelphia Inquirer (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania)
Volume: 118
Issue: 106
Page: 5
McCully - On May 1, 1888, Philathea, wife of the late I. McCully, aged 85 years.
The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral, this afternoon, at 2 o'clock, from her son-in-law's residence, No. 1?6 Eleventh street, Camden, N.J. Interment at Evergreen Cemetery.
- What is over looked here is Gabriel the immigrant had a son Named Gabriel born 1750. This Gabriel married a Philisare Reach in 1769 in Salem County NJ. No children are found from this marriage. Gabriel Jr. moved around quite a bit. He left tracks in Cumberland County PA before moving to Allegany County MD. The last know track he left was when he sold he land to his brother Jacob in 1808. After that he disappears. It is possible he married a Lydia and moved back to the NJ area and was the father of Philathea. The close resemblance between Philisare and Philathea could be because of the poor spelling of the time. If this is the case then she is not the daughter of Joseph and the other Lydia may be the daughter of Gabriel in addition. Added as a child of Gabriel based on this premise Gordon L Drollinger 27 April 2016
Phila Mccully in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Phila Mccully
Age: 70
Birth Year: abt 1810
Birthplace: New Jersey
Home in 1880: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Mother
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: New Jersey
Mother's Birthplace: New Jersey
Household Members:
Name Age
Isaac H. Mccully 46
Charles H. Mccully 19 son
Hiram Mccully 15 son
Joseph Mccully 13 son
Phila Mccully 70 mother
Lydia Mccully 52 sister
Philipe McCaulley in the 1860 United States Federal Census
Name: Philipe McCaulley
Age: 56
Birth Year: abt 1804
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Pennsylvania
Home in 1860: Camden Middle Ward, Camden, New Jersey
Post Office: Camden
Family Number: 603
Series of emails on ancestry dot com
I did send for the death certificate from the Trenton Archive. There were no informants listed on the death certificate - only the Medical Doctor and the Undertaker. Philathea McCully was born in New Jersey about 1804 and her parents - Gabrie and Lydia Trullendar were listed as born in U.S.A.
With regard to my connection or rather my husband's connection, Isaac McCully, Philathea's husband, was the son of Bradshaw and Mary Stow McCully. My husband's connection is through the Stow family.
Marlynn
Gordon_D
Dec 09, 2009
No unfortunately it was not a will. A David Bowen was the administrator and it mentioned Gabriel was a grocer. There was no land and the inventory list was of personal items chairs, crocks, etc. Rent was due so He didn't own a house. There was money due for a coffin for Mrs Trullender (first name omitted) and one for Gabriel.
No I can't connect her but I have hopes of if we can uncover a few more clues. The big one being the death certificate so far. Did you write and get it? If so there may be further data at that source. I think Frederick's son Gabriel can ruled out even tho he was born in 1780 as he had children starting in 1801 in Warren County Ohio. I believe Gabriel the OI can be ruled out as too old. Which leaves us with Gabriel the son. The only problem here is he was in Cumberland County PA in 1781. So it looks like there is either a new Gabriel in the mix or one of the known ones came back to NJ for a while.
Is there an informant listed on the death certificate? Where do you fit in the puzzle?
Gordon
Marlynn39
Dec 09, 2009
It was handwritten and the "r" could have been included. It was fancy writing and looking at it again it could well have been Trullender and I interpreted as Tullender. At first I thought it was Fullender. In addition the marriage between Phila and Isaac was listed as McCollough although it was McCully. Do you have their marriage date? Can you connect Phila with Gabriel the immigrant? Was Phila mentioned in the estate of Gabriel?
Marlynn
Gordon_D
Dec 09, 2009
Interesting to say the least. is that the State Archives or? Is it written or typed with the R missing? Did you get that in hard copy?
On going back to my NJ binder I noted that it wasn't John Marshall she married. He was the one entry above her. She married Isaac McCollough. Now that I look at a map I see Camden is across the river from Philadelphia. It was in the Philadelphia court records I found the estate records of Gabriel the immigrant as Trullender. Why Phila when he lived and died in Salem County I have no idea.
Gordon
Marlynn39
Dec 09, 2009
I got the death certificate from the Trenton Archives. Philathea McCully, d. 1 May 1889, age 85 years; Widow; birthplace, NJ, last place of residence and place of death, 126 North 11th St, Camden; father, Gabriel Tullender, b. USA, mother Lydia Tullender; cause of death, General Prostration; Source 1887-88 Camden County Death Certificates.
It is possible that Philathea could have been married twice. I have never come across another Philathea. I do know that there were Tullenders in Camden City in 1880-1890 - John Tullender Jr. and his wife Hannah, and also a Sarah. John was a shoemaker.
Marlynn
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Abt 1804 - 1888 (~ 84 years)
